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admin · Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 10:16 am Post subject: MERIT TABLE 2008

MERIT TABLE 2008

There are 5 merit table distances that you can gain points, these are 5k, 10k, 5 miles, 10 miles, half-marathon, and can be any AAA's certified race over any combination of these distances to gain points.

If it's not a local race just provide a results sheet as proof of your time and we will work out your points.

MERIT TABLE POINTS are based on the percentage (%) you run of your current table PB (personal best)

Intermediate results will be published here when available.

Pete the OLD one · Joined: 06 Feb 2008 Posts: 16 Location: Benfleet

Karl, I know that I won the merit table last year but is it a new rule that you only count half of the races that the previous winner runs in. You seem to have missed off my Brands Hatch 10K run.

I have also noted that the scores do not coincide with the explanation on how to work out the points gained. It seems that you have forgotten to divide the scores by 5 before adding the bonus 5 points for achieving a PB. Is this intentional or a cunning plan to keep everyone guessing so that you can make sure that someone from Rayleigh wins this year?

Karl C · Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 12:38 pm Post subject:

Ahh, you have seen through my cunning plan already !

Don't know why I missed your BH10k - call it first night nerves.
I will correct shortly.

Karl C · Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 1:29 pm Post subject:

Also,

We just don't divide this result by 5 as previous

For example if you ran 95% of your PB last year you would have received 19 points
Where as this year you would receive 95 points

To keep the bonus in line for a PB as we're increased the main point by a factor of 5, we're also increased the bonus for a PB by a factor of 5

So where as last year you would have received a Bonus of 1 point for a PB ... You now get 5 points

This also makes the PB points clearer to understand

If this year you ran 6% quicker than your PB You will receive 106 Points + 5 Bonus Points = 111 Points

Where as last year you would have received ....... 21.2 Points for a 6% PB + 1 Bonus Point = 22.2 Points

Mike Mason · #7 Joined: 02 Jun 2006 Posts: 1055 Location: Hockley

flaming hell...now I understand why I don't have any PB's showing....
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Karl C · Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 1:51 pm Post subject:

I think we both know why you haven't got any PB's listed, don't we ?

A small matter of no biscuits being given to the Merit Table organiser !!

mikemoreton · Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 2:54 pm Post subject:

Karl,

If bribery is going to work, what biscuits would you prefer?

Regards

MM2

gmike · #2 Joined: 26 Mar 2008 Posts: 259 Location: Benfleet

Karl,

Just had look at the merit table results for the Nicola 5 and I'm down as finishing 25:18 instead of 35:18.
As much as I appreciate the extra 10 mins PB is it gonna bugger up the numbers?
... or should I have just kept quiet and handed over the bung / hobnobs next club night!

regards

gmike

Karl C · Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 1:19 pm Post subject:

Just trying to think about your potential !!

Thanks for the heads-up, I have amended where necessary.

Coach · #1 Joined: 18 May 2007 Posts: 65 Location: Daws Heath

Karl, think you might have taken Deb Smith's half marathon time from last year and compared it with her Nicola's 5 time as I don't think she's ever run a 98 minute 5 miler !! Also, Mark's time from last year of 41.38 I believe is probably his 10 km time which I'm sure he'll be able to either comfirm or deny.

I'll take the abuse for losing them points later :argue:

mikemoreton · Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 3:08 pm Post subject:

Funny that. I noticed the very same and emailed Mr Cadman. No change as yet, I guess the HobNobs must have worked.

Karl C · Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 8:45 pm Post subject:

nope, don't worry guys all updated (and you Nicola 5 PB Mike!) so you can rest easy that you are not being beaten by a girl just yet.

A few "beginners errors" and steep "learning curve" being climbed on this - so bear with me.

Oh, and please let me know of any queries.

boabmac1 · #1 Joined: 26 Jan 2008 Posts: 131

Keep up the good work Karl- its working for me!

However, my strategy of bagging a few races early on is about to falter (just like my marathon strategy) as other benfleet runners turn on the style I will be reeled in!

I've got to shake Pammie off my tail as she appears to be turning in some impressive performances.

My long term plan is to build stamina then apply the 'speed' element for the summer series of 5m, 10K and 10 mile races.

I have to be honest though I am not sure these longer runs are working for me as I seem to be getting heavier and slower. Training is a struggle as I don't appear to be recovering too quickly. There are some great coaches at the club but I feel that I may need a team consisting of dietician, nutritionist, physio, psychologist and a motivational positive thinking guru. Well I suppose there is Lee Olney.

Stevie · #3 Joined: 10 May 2006 Posts: 452 Location: Benfleet

Now the marathon is out of the way i'll be back racing hard now so im after my next 5 PBs now and that top spot on the merit table so watch out guys - hehe

mikey · Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 1:21 pm Post subject:

I too have started the year off with a MT PB

Trouble is ……….

Don’t think I can be asked to race another 5 times this year !!!!

Best of luck Steve with your MT challenge …

Here’s hoping it’s better than your attempt on the Bunkhouse Trophy

Stevie · #3 Joined: 10 May 2006 Posts: 452 Location: Benfleet

Cheers Mike, maybe I could try and get negative points for the Merit table, I bet that hasnt been done before - lol

Karl C · Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 6:44 pm Post subject:

Don't worry, a negative score could happen with me doing the figures !

Karl C · Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 2:21 pm Post subject: UPDATES

I am updating with the missing races this week.
Watch the MERIT TABLE page for results.

INCLUDED SO FAR -

Dartford Half,Great Bentley Half Marathon,Brands Hatch Half Marathon,Serpentine LFOM February,Roding Valley Half Marathon,Berkhamsted Half Marathon,Brands Hatch 10k,Brentwood Half Marathon,Hastings Half Marathon,Serpentine LFOM March,Paddock Wood Half Marathon,Nicola's 5,Serpentine LFOM April,Stratford-Upon-Avon half,Frinton Half Marathon

Karl C · Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 5:54 pm Post subject:

Baddow 10, Bupa London 10k and Hatfield Broad Oak 10k now all updated.

mikemoreton · Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 8:37 am Post subject:

Karl C · Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 10:03 am Post subject:

not yet5

Mike Mason · #7 Joined: 02 Jun 2006 Posts: 1055 Location: Hockley

Karl, why are using a pinhead avatar? I thought we were all supposed to use our actual photos...
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Stevie · #3 Joined: 10 May 2006 Posts: 452 Location: Benfleet

Karl,

We seem to have two topics for the merit table, an older one (CLUB MERIT TABLE) and this one, could the two be merged into one?.

Also the merit table doesnt appear to include my Baddow 10 PB, could be as I never told you i got a pb i guess

My old time was 1:11:57 and my new time is 1:06:59

Cheers

Karl C · Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 8:28 am Post subject:

Steve, I would hope this title MERIT TABLE 2008 would ensure everyone came here, as opposed to the older thread. But, I hear what you say and I might just delete the other one.

Stevie · #3 Joined: 10 May 2006 Posts: 452 Location: Benfleet

What I meant is the Current Merit Table Standings only has one score for me and not two, if you scroll down im down the list with only one score which was updated on the 5th of this month.

I'll try to explain it abit better later on when i see you, i've got those pics of the Southend half for you too

Thanks

Steve

Karl C · Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 1:13 pm Post subject:

Ahha, try the REFRESH PAGE button at the top.

Latest results are 6 June and show

STEVE DEAR [ 123.4 112.4 ] 235.842

Stevie · #3 Joined: 10 May 2006 Posts: 452 Location: Benfleet

lol - Thanks Karl.
Forgot I'm using IE and not Firefox at work.

Cheers :thumbleft:

Karl C · Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 4:30 pm Post subject:

I have added PB5 results.....still too early to call a favourite, but it could be the "year of the Dear".

More like the year of the Chocolate Hobnob........donations welcome..!

Stevie · #3 Joined: 10 May 2006 Posts: 452 Location: Benfleet

"Year of the Dear" - lol

I've still got plenty of races to do and im training hard for this month with no races (apart from tom) to get myself ready for those damn 5km and 10km races, so fingers crossed I should still have another 3 good PBs to come

mikemoreton · Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 5:49 pm Post subject:

Hrmmmmmmmmmm

I thought the merit table belonged to me this year? Looks like I didnt see sneaky little dear pop along.

Just got my entry for this Friday nights 5 miler in Chelmsford.....It says undulating. Arrrrgggghhh.... Hills

Although the last bit is downhill to the pub, might be able to pull a 6 minute mile for that last bit.......... I wish. 9 minute one would be more than I could hope. Here goes.

Ernie · #2 Joined: 26 May 2006 Posts: 240 Location: Hockley GORC

I thought Steve Dear's Baddow 10 result wasn't counted because he let an old guy beat him at the finishing post !

JBD · #3 Joined: 15 Sep 2007 Posts: 317

Has this thing started yet ?

I'm just biding my time letting everyone get a false sense of security before pouncing like a pouncy thing......

Stevie · #3 Joined: 10 May 2006 Posts: 452 Location: Benfleet

Karl C · Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 7:47 am Post subject:

Andy F · #2 Joined: 21 Oct 2006 Posts: 272 Location: Hullbridge

Hi Karl

It says its measured on the entry form see link below.
It also says free burger at the PUB

at the finish. Cant think of a better way to spend a Friday evening.
Andy

http://www.springfieldstriders.org.uk/friday5.pdf

Karl C · Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 10:08 am Post subject:

OK, Andy - your result will count.

Mike - yours won't unless I see some more biscuits !

mikemoreton · Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 1:41 pm Post subject:

Karl - you cheeky bugger, just because the merit table belongs to me.
Chocolate HobNobs ok?

So, is this race a merit table race?

Karl C · Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 1:51 pm Post subject:

Mike - yes it is a MT race.

Updated results to now include Tilty Hilly.
ANOTHER PB for Bob,so he goes back to the top of table...

Karl C · Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 2:20 pm Post subject:

The Dorny Dash has put Andy in a good position following his PB !

boabmac1 · #1 Joined: 26 Jan 2008 Posts: 131

Karl
Thanks for adding the Tilty 5. This has put me back on top of the table.
I have noted the big guns with high scores creeping up the table. I have enough weight to keep them down. Is their a performance guide that relates weight loss to improvement in performance? This might be the insentive I need to shed the liquid pounds.
Glad to see the Springfield Friday 5 will be a MT race.

Stevie · #3 Joined: 10 May 2006 Posts: 452 Location: Benfleet

Wont be long till im up there with you fighting to get that top spot - hehe.
I didnt realise how competitive I was before I joined the club - lol.
I'm going to try and not to leave it till boxing day this year to get my last PB, as I dont want to be in that position again

Ian J · #2 Joined: 20 May 2006 Posts: 267 Location: Rayleigh

Just out of interest if the results have a gun time & a chip time, which one is used in the merit table. Answers on a postcard please

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Karl C · Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 7:21 pm Post subject:

chip time, always a fairer result...

discuss

boabmac1 · #1 Joined: 26 Jan 2008 Posts: 131

Who mentioned chip time? yum..mmm

I did the Bluewater 10K this morning. My gun time was 54mins++ so I guess my chip time must be better. A PB?

I think I did a better time in the Springfield Friday 5. It was quicker to run 5 miles than collect your burger at the end. Even worse was the queue for the bar!

Andy F · #2 Joined: 21 Oct 2006 Posts: 272 Location: Hullbridge

Great stuff Bob, looks like its going to be between you and Pammie to be the first to record 6 PB's this year.
As for the q for the bar Friday night, I think you and Lorri scored a PB there. Sounds like some were recording times as slow as 8mins per beer, you must have been down to 5 minute beering. Which I have to say was pretty impressive stuff, considering the crowded start at the bar. If it had have been chip timed I think you could have broken 4 minute beering, which is Legendary.

I think if we go next year we could skip the inconvenient 5 mile run and just go for the Bar run, could be a win for Benfleet there. If you fancy going for the team bar run let me know! You, me and MM2. Its got to be a first (or should that be a Thirst) for Benfleet.

Cheers
Andy

mikemoreton · Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 9:38 pm Post subject:

Count me in for both our teams!!!

Medic!!!!!!!!!!!!!

boabmac1 · #1 Joined: 26 Jan 2008 Posts: 131

My chip time at the Bluewater 10K is 53:45, which is equal to my PB at the Felsted 10K last year. Does it count if you equal your PB or do you have to beat it? It surely is a PB by definition!

mikemoreton · Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 10:27 pm Post subject:

My guess is: you ran 100% of your PB which = 100 points

mikey · Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 7:58 am Post subject:

Bob

If my memory serves me right ….

( Which it does as I set up the scoring system )

If you equal your PB you get 100 points + the 5 PB bonus Points

Don't quote me on this but think that's 105 points coming your way

Many are the times over the years that the MT title has been won or lost by hitting or missing a PB by just one second

mikey · Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 8:12 am Post subject:

Gun Time vs Chip Time

As far as MT tradition goes, it’s the official time that counts ( not your own watch time ).

As both Gun & Chip times are official times
Think that where available the Chip time can be used.

Mind you the MT is also traditionally a non-democratic competition

So at the end of the day its down to Karl as MT administrator to make a ruling.